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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 00:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been davvening with a self-proclaimed &quot;non-judgmental [mostly non-Charedi] minyan&quot; for the past 6 months.  There are occasionally a few Chassidim - relatives who are visiting for Shabbat.  I am the only one, as far as I know, who drives - consistently with the &quot;Roth Chuvah&quot; - on Shabbat.  The non-judgmental nature of our relationship cuts both ways: they (except for one member who finds my attendance troubling) accept me, and I accept them (coincidently, except for that same person...).  The davvening is strong, with nothing held back, and I am getting more out of my teffilot now than I have in the past year.  The d&#039;vrei Torah that I have given cover the same sorts of inyanim - and with the same approach to &quot;&quot;critical scholarship&quot; that I would give in my Conservative synagogue.  My sense is that my new minyan likes the perspective.  My  sense is also that part of this acceptance stems from the fact that (although the level of scholarship is generally  high and some of the hevra have s&#039;micha) there is no rav.

Shul goers of all stripes vote with their feet.  If more people got more out of attending Conservative prayer services, attendance in Conservative shuls  would be much stronger and more dynamic than it generally is.

Judaism is a team sport.  But it&#039;s made up of individuals.  If you try to be true to yourself and accepting of others, anyone has a chance, in turn, of being accepted in a comminuity with different minhagim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been davvening with a self-proclaimed &#8220;non-judgmental [mostly non-Charedi] minyan&#8221; for the past 6 months.  There are occasionally a few Chassidim &#8211; relatives who are visiting for Shabbat.  I am the only one, as far as I know, who drives &#8211; consistently with the &#8220;Roth Chuvah&#8221; &#8211; on Shabbat.  The non-judgmental nature of our relationship cuts both ways: they (except for one member who finds my attendance troubling) accept me, and I accept them (coincidently, except for that same person&#8230;).  The davvening is strong, with nothing held back, and I am getting more out of my teffilot now than I have in the past year.  The d&#8217;vrei Torah that I have given cover the same sorts of inyanim &#8211; and with the same approach to &#8220;&#8221;critical scholarship&#8221; that I would give in my Conservative synagogue.  My sense is that my new minyan likes the perspective.  My  sense is also that part of this acceptance stems from the fact that (although the level of scholarship is generally  high and some of the hevra have s&#8217;micha) there is no rav.</p>
<p>Shul goers of all stripes vote with their feet.  If more people got more out of attending Conservative prayer services, attendance in Conservative shuls  would be much stronger and more dynamic than it generally is.</p>
<p>Judaism is a team sport.  But it&#8217;s made up of individuals.  If you try to be true to yourself and accepting of others, anyone has a chance, in turn, of being accepted in a comminuity with different minhagim.</p>
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		<title>By: Irene Stern Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irene Stern Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the most recent essay prayer is described as yearning. I think we need more thankfulness to and praise of HaShem before expecting His response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the most recent essay prayer is described as yearning. I think we need more thankfulness to and praise of HaShem before expecting His response.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadia Abraham</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadia Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem Reform Judaism is facing is that a growing number of it&#039;s members are becoming too Conservative to fit within traditional Reform philosophy.  Especially young people.

The problem Conservative Judaism is facing is that a growing number of it&#039;s members are becoming too Reform to fit into traditional Conservative philosophy.  Especially young people.

My prediction for the future.  My hope, at least.  And I&#039;m 25, coming from the camp of &quot;Reform Jew who now goes to a Conservative Synagogue but still struggles with some of the Liturgy, but struggles more with the fact that virtually no one in my Reform congregation knows how to read Hebrew, or cares to know, and is getting lonely and frustrated.&quot;

My hope is....

We are inches away now from there being a formal and serious discussion of the merging of the movements.  That will be one of the most exciting and energizing things in the history of American Judaism.

In my opinion, there are now only a few core pieces of Liturgy away from a huge number of Reform Jews shifting full force into a Conservative space.  Those pieces of Liturgy are the same as they have been since the beginning of the separation between the movements.  They are prayers for the Messiah Ben David, the rebuilding of the Temple, and the notion of exile.  Regarding these three differences.

1)  I think that these &quot;conservative&quot; Reform Jews have already come around regarding the notion of exile.  Some may still care.  But it&#039;s less of an issue than people may think nowadays.  Certainly less than in the past.

2) &quot;Conservative&quot; Reform Jews are still dancing with the notion of the Temple.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s because they don&#039;t want to end up in Israel, or that they don&#039;t love Jerusalem.  I think that it is because their Judaism is closer to that of Zionist Kibbutzim who were the backbone of the formation of Israel, than they to the notion of a shining structure on a hill.  They have trouble, however, realizing that the two types of Judaism- rural, agricultural, and urban, cultic- are not inherently separate.  

The Conservative movement should make that clear, and they should back it up with action that respects it.  Conservative Jews are almost exclusively urban.  They should start a farm, a Kibbutz, on which the movement could incubate and control, for instance, their own Kosher food program.  One that recognizes that a Conservative Jew see&#039;s no value in a Hescher from an Orthodox food plant that pays illegal immigrants 2 bucks an hour is not, in fact, Kosher at all.

3)  Based on the prophecy of Nathan in Kings, that there is a very real and very serious argument that the notion of a Messiah Ben David was something that was refuted to his face, in his lifetime, because he murdered someone to have sex with his wife.  He blatantly broke, in that act, 3 of the ten commandments, and had he not been King of Israel, he would have been put to death for it.  Go to Kings and read what Nathan said to David.  Read that, and then try to tell a Reform Jew who sit at the gates the Conservative movement that they are wrong to not pray for a Messiah ben David.

This is a point that the Conservative movement may have to cave on.  It&#039;s not in the &quot;notion of a Messiah.&quot;  Not about whether a person thinks the Messiah is a &quot;person or an era&quot;.  

It&#039;s because the Talmud teaches that someone&#039;s teacher is akin to being his Father.  And I think people have a serious problem with the notion of the Messiah being Ben David, seeing as no matter how great David may have been in his youth or in his unification, he destroyed an entire Universe by full blown murdering Uriah.  The notion of our Messiah coming from that line is, to say the least, problematic.

The Conservative movement should address that, honestly, and openly.  I think they might want to change not their notion of Messiah, but their notion of Ben David.

Anyways- that&#039;s my take.







  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem Reform Judaism is facing is that a growing number of it&#8217;s members are becoming too Conservative to fit within traditional Reform philosophy.  Especially young people.</p>
<p>The problem Conservative Judaism is facing is that a growing number of it&#8217;s members are becoming too Reform to fit into traditional Conservative philosophy.  Especially young people.</p>
<p>My prediction for the future.  My hope, at least.  And I&#8217;m 25, coming from the camp of &#8220;Reform Jew who now goes to a Conservative Synagogue but still struggles with some of the Liturgy, but struggles more with the fact that virtually no one in my Reform congregation knows how to read Hebrew, or cares to know, and is getting lonely and frustrated.&#8221;</p>
<p>My hope is&#8230;.</p>
<p>We are inches away now from there being a formal and serious discussion of the merging of the movements.  That will be one of the most exciting and energizing things in the history of American Judaism.</p>
<p>In my opinion, there are now only a few core pieces of Liturgy away from a huge number of Reform Jews shifting full force into a Conservative space.  Those pieces of Liturgy are the same as they have been since the beginning of the separation between the movements.  They are prayers for the Messiah Ben David, the rebuilding of the Temple, and the notion of exile.  Regarding these three differences.</p>
<p>1)  I think that these &#8220;conservative&#8221; Reform Jews have already come around regarding the notion of exile.  Some may still care.  But it&#8217;s less of an issue than people may think nowadays.  Certainly less than in the past.</p>
<p>2) &#8220;Conservative&#8221; Reform Jews are still dancing with the notion of the Temple.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t want to end up in Israel, or that they don&#8217;t love Jerusalem.  I think that it is because their Judaism is closer to that of Zionist Kibbutzim who were the backbone of the formation of Israel, than they to the notion of a shining structure on a hill.  They have trouble, however, realizing that the two types of Judaism- rural, agricultural, and urban, cultic- are not inherently separate.  </p>
<p>The Conservative movement should make that clear, and they should back it up with action that respects it.  Conservative Jews are almost exclusively urban.  They should start a farm, a Kibbutz, on which the movement could incubate and control, for instance, their own Kosher food program.  One that recognizes that a Conservative Jew see&#8217;s no value in a Hescher from an Orthodox food plant that pays illegal immigrants 2 bucks an hour is not, in fact, Kosher at all.</p>
<p>3)  Based on the prophecy of Nathan in Kings, that there is a very real and very serious argument that the notion of a Messiah Ben David was something that was refuted to his face, in his lifetime, because he murdered someone to have sex with his wife.  He blatantly broke, in that act, 3 of the ten commandments, and had he not been King of Israel, he would have been put to death for it.  Go to Kings and read what Nathan said to David.  Read that, and then try to tell a Reform Jew who sit at the gates the Conservative movement that they are wrong to not pray for a Messiah ben David.</p>
<p>This is a point that the Conservative movement may have to cave on.  It&#8217;s not in the &#8220;notion of a Messiah.&#8221;  Not about whether a person thinks the Messiah is a &#8220;person or an era&#8221;.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s because the Talmud teaches that someone&#8217;s teacher is akin to being his Father.  And I think people have a serious problem with the notion of the Messiah being Ben David, seeing as no matter how great David may have been in his youth or in his unification, he destroyed an entire Universe by full blown murdering Uriah.  The notion of our Messiah coming from that line is, to say the least, problematic.</p>
<p>The Conservative movement should address that, honestly, and openly.  I think they might want to change not their notion of Messiah, but their notion of Ben David.</p>
<p>Anyways- that&#8217;s my take.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jacob, You raise a most interesting point.  I sent an e-mail to Dr. Eisen directly, hoping that he might address this most obvious of issues.  So far, only silence from him.
Shalom]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, You raise a most interesting point.  I sent an e-mail to Dr. Eisen directly, hoping that he might address this most obvious of issues.  So far, only silence from him.<br />
Shalom</p>
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		<title>By: Lin</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am grateful for this blog and the importance of identifying/defining Conservative Judaism. My synagogue is losing older members (dying, leaving town, retiring) and many younger members do not feel a responsibility to &quot;make&quot; the minyan on Shabbat morning. It also appears that some members are nicer and warmer to a visitor from another state than regular members, which is sad. I am excited to learn more definitions and insights. LB]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am grateful for this blog and the importance of identifying/defining Conservative Judaism. My synagogue is losing older members (dying, leaving town, retiring) and many younger members do not feel a responsibility to &#8220;make&#8221; the minyan on Shabbat morning. It also appears that some members are nicer and warmer to a visitor from another state than regular members, which is sad. I am excited to learn more definitions and insights. LB</p>
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		<title>By: Yosef Mordechai</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Yosef Mordechai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just wondering if Chancellor Eisen is  referring to following the traditions and halachot of tahara-mispacha when he makes reference to family relations. These laws are succintly and clearly outline by Rabbi Isaac Klein in his book, &quot;A Guide to Jewish Religious Practice&quot; published by JTS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just wondering if Chancellor Eisen is  referring to following the traditions and halachot of tahara-mispacha when he makes reference to family relations. These laws are succintly and clearly outline by Rabbi Isaac Klein in his book, &#8220;A Guide to Jewish Religious Practice&#8221; published by JTS.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca H.</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[....I think it depends on how accepting the movements to either side of us are in each place where Jews live. Do you feel that Reform communities often and easily accept observant members? Do you feel non-haredi Orthodox communities often and easily accept those who relate to the Tanach in a more historically critical way, or those steeped in non-Ashkenazi cultures (or non-Sephardi cultures, as the case may be)? I don&#039;t ask rhetorically- I really would like to know your experience on this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.I think it depends on how accepting the movements to either side of us are in each place where Jews live. Do you feel that Reform communities often and easily accept observant members? Do you feel non-haredi Orthodox communities often and easily accept those who relate to the Tanach in a more historically critical way, or those steeped in non-Ashkenazi cultures (or non-Sephardi cultures, as the case may be)? I don&#8217;t ask rhetorically- I really would like to know your experience on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca H.</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was beautiful. I liked that a lot. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was beautiful. I liked that a lot. </p>
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		<title>By: D**</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>D**</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those who have a copy of Etz Hayim handy, take a look at &quot;Medieval and Modern Theories of Revelation&quot; by Rabbi Elliot Dorf (p. 1399).  In particular, read his discussion of Franz Rosenzweig (pages 1401 to 1403).  As far as I&#039;m concerned, this is what Conservative Judaism is all about.  I&#039;m not sure if this was Dorf&#039;s intent, but his words--which should be spread far and wide--could perhaps be thought of as a clear description as to how Conservative Judaism differs from Reform and Reconstructionism.  

For those who don&#039;t have a copy handy, I&#039;ll quote a portion of Rabbi Dorf&#039;s article:

Rosenzweig agreed with his friend Buber that revelation is not a matter of God speaking words: it is rather what we lean about God from ongoing encounters with Him.  &quot;All that God ever reveals in revelation is revelation . . . .  He reveals nothing but Himself to man.&quot;  For Rosenzweig, though, the Torah is the record of an encounter of the Jewish people with God, and, as such, each Jew is obligated to keep the commandments that he or she can.  Rosenzweig stresses that Jews are not free to choose which commandments they want to fulfill; rather, they are obligated to do whatever they can.  Sometimes we are not physically able to perform a commandment--for example, when we are ill.  Even in traditional Jewish law, under such circumstances we are not held to be at fault for failing to do what the commandment requires.  The novelty of Rosenzweig&#039;s thesis is that he sees ability not just as a physical property but as a psychological--or, better, a relational--matter.  One&#039;s ability to perform God&#039;s commands, for Rosenzweig, is  primarily a function of one&#039;s ability to feel commanded by God.  That, in turn, is a function of the depth of one&#039;s relationship with God.  
 . . . . . . . . . . .
Similarly, says Rosenzweig, the extent of one&#039;s obligations to God is a function of the depth of the relationship that one has been able to cultivate with God.  Consequently, each of us will have a different level of obligation to fulfill the commandments . . . .(p. 1402)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who have a copy of Etz Hayim handy, take a look at &#8220;Medieval and Modern Theories of Revelation&#8221; by Rabbi Elliot Dorf (p. 1399).  In particular, read his discussion of Franz Rosenzweig (pages 1401 to 1403).  As far as I&#8217;m concerned, this is what Conservative Judaism is all about.  I&#8217;m not sure if this was Dorf&#8217;s intent, but his words&#8211;which should be spread far and wide&#8211;could perhaps be thought of as a clear description as to how Conservative Judaism differs from Reform and Reconstructionism.  </p>
<p>For those who don&#8217;t have a copy handy, I&#8217;ll quote a portion of Rabbi Dorf&#8217;s article:</p>
<p>Rosenzweig agreed with his friend Buber that revelation is not a matter of God speaking words: it is rather what we lean about God from ongoing encounters with Him.  &#8220;All that God ever reveals in revelation is revelation . . . .  He reveals nothing but Himself to man.&#8221;  For Rosenzweig, though, the Torah is the record of an encounter of the Jewish people with God, and, as such, each Jew is obligated to keep the commandments that he or she can.  Rosenzweig stresses that Jews are not free to choose which commandments they want to fulfill; rather, they are obligated to do whatever they can.  Sometimes we are not physically able to perform a commandment&#8211;for example, when we are ill.  Even in traditional Jewish law, under such circumstances we are not held to be at fault for failing to do what the commandment requires.  The novelty of Rosenzweig&#8217;s thesis is that he sees ability not just as a physical property but as a psychological&#8211;or, better, a relational&#8211;matter.  One&#8217;s ability to perform God&#8217;s commands, for Rosenzweig, is  primarily a function of one&#8217;s ability to feel commanded by God.  That, in turn, is a function of the depth of one&#8217;s relationship with God. <br />
 . . . . . . . . . . .<br />
Similarly, says Rosenzweig, the extent of one&#8217;s obligations to God is a function of the depth of the relationship that one has been able to cultivate with God.  Consequently, each of us will have a different level of obligation to fulfill the commandments . . . .(p. 1402)</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben Berman</title>
		<link>http://blog.jtsa.edu/chancellor-eisen/2011/05/19/covenant/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Reuben Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Chancellor does not present Sinai as a historical moment, but rather, as a theological point. It seems like Sinai serves as a prominent metaphor for our formation as a people, not a literal moment in time, and it is for that reason that every Jew was standing there when the covenant at Sinai was made, because in every generation we continue to affirm the identical bond between ourselves, the people, and G-d.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chancellor does not present Sinai as a historical moment, but rather, as a theological point. It seems like Sinai serves as a prominent metaphor for our formation as a people, not a literal moment in time, and it is for that reason that every Jew was standing there when the covenant at Sinai was made, because in every generation we continue to affirm the identical bond between ourselves, the people, and G-d.</p>
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